Showing posts with label tanking. Show all posts
Showing posts with label tanking. Show all posts

Monday, January 7, 2008

I'm a Jerk

Is what I kept thinking to myself after I saw that hunter leave. It happened during a Slave Pens run, with a holy pally and three hunters. Despite my initial fears of having three hunters in the same party, I braced myself and accepted the summon. Some of them were already in, and as I ran in to join them, I noticed that they were already attacking stuff without me, the tank, and HunterA was dead. Okay.

/p Can't you guys wait?
HunterA: Nope.

I took that as a joke. We went in, and because of the party leader's lacking marking system, I took over, and explained it to them. All went fine, until I noticed that my mob kept having that three red streaks on top of its head. One of the pets and me were literally competing for aggro. I told the owner, HunterA, to turn off growl. It got ignored. I figured he did. He didn't. I asked again and again, soon that smiley turned into curt orders. Then, as I wondered whether he spoke English, I barked off another 'turn that growl off' order, and lo, he left.

/p ...I only wanted that growl off... I'm a jerk.

Let me clarify this, I've never, ever caused anyone to leave like that in my gaming life. Ever. It made me feel bad for a while, I mean, this isn't my group, but rather one that I hijacked, and I caused an original member to leave. I got into a state of guilt. I didn't even shout at him, only told him curtly to turn that stupid pet's aggro off. Did I do the right thing? Should I just have ignored it and kept everyone happy? :(

On the other hand, I also /ignored a priest because he invited me multiple times without whispering first when I've specifically stated on my LFG, "Prot pally - please PST before invite."

PMS Shorsha = Fail.

On Nazan and Tankadins

Tanked ramps again today, with a group composition of: lock, shaman, hunter, holy priest, and yours truly. When we were LFMing, the following conversation occured:

Shaman: we need a warrior tank
Me: Why?
Shaman: because we always wipe with a pally tank
Me: Player problems?
Shaman: no, 4 times with 4 diff pallies

Right, he'd pretty much stereotyped all pallies as Nazan wipers. I can understand that. I have similar sentiments to rogues and hunters too. So I said, "well, if we can get a warrior who wants to tank, I don't mind healing," and we got the party full a few moments later - with me still as tank. I wanted to prove that not all pallies would wipe at Nazan. We went in, and after having to explain the marking system thrice, we mowed down Ramps without much difficulty. Well, except...

No problemo. I decided to AoE tank. The only form of CC (is it even called that?) I used was pet tanking, since the hunter couldn't trap to save his life. And so finally I used my blog's title. CC = Constant Consecration. Well, to be honest, not really. 1 or 2 consecrates should already stick them to me.

Now on to Nazan and his ugly rider. I've read some horror stories on Ramps, and I've noticed that their problem is mainly on Nazan. With a decent healer, it shouldn't be hard at all. First time we wiped because they didn't hold back their DPS. Second time it was suggested that I get its health down a bit before they would go all out on him. So I popped my seal of righteousness, and pulled the 2 orcs guarding Vazruden. As the only one left was on its last few percent of hp, I rushed inside, and immediately judged righteousness on Vazruden. I pulled him further back towards the middle for easy access on Nazan, and watched my screen for the descent message. Again, I immediately rushed to Naz - leaving DPS to deal with Vaz - judged, and the party waited for me to take a little bit of his hp. He stuck like glue till his death.

The key to this fight is to move a lot. I would strafe left and right on both fights, regardless on whether I was being burned or not. With this, you should take minimal damage every time Naz lets out that nasty fire breath. Don't stop. Move, move!

I'm quite satisfied with the result - as the first time wasn't a problem with my tanking, but with the much too early DPS. In the end, I asked the shaman whether he had changed his mind regarding pally tanking, and of course, I didn't get an answer back.

Amazing what a day full of wipes would do to your dedication...

Saturday, January 5, 2008

First successful Outland instance!

Thanks for the encouragement guys, and indeed, I bounced right back and tried to run Ramparts and Blood Furnace again today. As always, put myself on LFG... and bam! invite sent. So there I went as a very anxious tank. My previous failure still haunted me, as I stepped through that swirly portal with increased dread. Group compromised of me, 2 mages, a shaman, and a hunter.

And alas, no wipe. Zilch. It all went as smooth as pie, laden with butter. Mmhmm. I couldn't believe it. Was the previous one a mere bad luck?

There were a few casualties, though, being one of the mages (salvation doesn't help), and me, twice. I still can't figure out how not to die at end boss. Or how to properly hold aggro on it. I would taunt, and then a few seconds later it would immediately turn its attention to DPS. Checked my omen meter... and seems like DPS and me are quite literally jumping up and down in position.

Ramps: Check.


Next: Ramps

Got an invited as a healer, so with minimal grumbling, I bought back the healing necklace I just vendored. I don't have any healing gears, so I told them as much, and the leader (a hunter) said, ”you don't have to heal me, just the tank."

Suuuuuuure.

Of course it wasn’t as ideal as that. Tank only has around 30% of damage taken, second most being the mage I ran with at BF failure run, who gains aggro like crazy even with salvation. Then I noticed that he opened with pyroblast literally a second after tank hits the mobs, or even before it. Told him to stop, and saw an improvement on healing done on him. Not bad. Rogue was tank #2 (unofficial). DPSing a lone mob or breaking sheep by yourself isn't funny. I thought of abandoning him to his own fate, actually, but oh, I’m not that egoistical to sacrifice DPS on a whim. Again, we managed to clear ramps without any wipe.

Yay me!

Ramps take 2: Success


Did a few more takes of BF and Ramps; with 3 wipes at the first one and 1 wipe at Ramps. I really can’t keep up with anyone’s HP at BF end boss; I would heal someone, then the next thing I know, somebody else went splat as the heal landed on my target. Then I would look down at their corpses, shake my head, and briefly die.

The wipe at Ramps was caused by me, sorry to say. I tried to pull a lone patrol before the boss, and, due to bad timing, ended up pulling the groups beside him. We went splat. After apologizing profusely to the group, we went on our way and killed Naz without any problem.

At the previous (fail) Ramps run, Slash was marking, and thankfully so. Seeing him do so actually made me learn a good few things about marking. In the end of the day, I quested with him and had a blast. Walk away defeated once – go back with vengeance.

Right now I’m levelling my one-handed mace skill up in STV. I got a Diamond-Core Sledgehammer on the (fail) BF run, and slapped a fiery on it for DPS. All in all, it’s been a great day, and to all the snide comments going on from my beloved friends: I’ll never spec holy, never!

...Maybe one day.

Wednesday, January 2, 2008

Wipe, Wipe, WIPE

I was excited this morning. "Finally got to do outland instance!" I thought. Boy, I was wrong. After a read through my brady guide book (oh well, that $50 better not get to waste. If only the shop boy wasn't that cute.) and some other sites for the general strategy for Blood Furnace and Ramparts, I immediately put myself on LFG with the message, "Prot pally - please PST before invite". Not more than a few minutes later, I got an invite - as the tank. We had a good group composition, me, a druid, a mage, a lock, and another pally (main healer). Things went... well, bad. We wiped. And wiped. And wiped. And wiped.

My total repair bill was 17g - does that say anything?

Somehow, we managed to get to last boss, but as he reached 10%, we began to drop like flies. After twice wiping on him, we disbanded. I got no blues.

Fast forward, ramparts with Slash the fury warrior, a shadow priest (main heal), a shaman, and a lock. First pulls went quite badly, as the shaman attacked the mob I marked for seduce. Because I didn't mark skull. In a pull of two. I'm sorry. I guess it's very not obvious that you should attack the unmarked mob in this pull of two. We need a big faaaarking skull above ze head every time. Zee comprehende?

Anyways, I did a few bad pulls too, mostly due to not knowing the layout of the place, and it's been a long while... So Slash got marking up. I guess I need to stop being lazy and start binding more than 3 raid marks.

So. We wiped. A lot. A helluvah lot. Sometimes it was the adds, once it was the beastmaster, quite a lot of times because ze heeeeeeeals didn't get to me on time (a few times I went splat when healer was on 80%-100% mana), but I think all of us had our fair share of mistakes there.

Both groups I went with are the type that you cannot pinpoint the mistake on. Both are good groups with fairly decent people, but somehow we just don't work. Whether it's the composition, our amateurism, or other x factors, we just don't work. I think it's the chemistry.

But for today, I failed as a tank. No, not in the aggro holding department (if it aggros DPS, then it's their fault. If it aggros healer, then it's because I died.), but in general working in group department.

Now that I've had a fair feel on the inside of BF and ramps, I hope I'll fare better next time. Learning those pulls really does go a long way.

I'll be back with more Outland greens, just you wait!

Total repair bill today: 24g.

Lesson of the day: Do NOT run an instance with your unfinished chemistry works on mind. You'd just fail.

Monday, December 10, 2007

Up and through that milestone


Yeap. You (probably) guessed right. Shorsha is a proud level 40 pally tank, and with a great ding event too. She dinged just right after Whitemane died. Pretty memorable ding with a pretty darn great party. Now I just have to get more plates upgrade, and quickly. What's with people putting level 40 plates for 20-30g (and more) anyways? One blue chest plate piece, and vying for more. I'm coming, ZF!

On a side note: I got a scarlet chestpiece in SM today. Well, actually, I unintentionally ninja-ed it; thinking it was BoP. But as I called for a re-roll, and later traded it to her, she refused, along with the warrior who originally wanted it. Probably since Shor's the only main there, and flat broke. I thank them from the bottom of my heart for it :)

After instancing pretty much from 30-40, I've come to learn and improve in many aspects of mid-level tanking, and occasionally, healing; and along with that, instancing mates. They were darn enjoyable leveling sessions, and I must say that my alt-aholism is pretty much cured. I'm pretty sure that I'll take Shor to level 70 now, hopefully in a few months' time.

Ugly horse with mail > ugly chocobo with skinny legs

WTB Night elf mount.

Thursday, December 6, 2007

Let's all loot Herod!

Today is a historical day. Shorsha did her second full run of SM armory! (First run was... a bad experience of being run through) Well, first time with a full group with me tanking. We had a 37 pally, a 39 mage, a priest, and me, the 34 pally. Since the 37 was a retardin (with 400 hp behind me), I ended up tanking.

All in short, this is probably the first instance I had to remotely pay attention to tank. The retardin kept hitting the unmarked target, and the priest kept pulling aggro, so there you go, salvation. With all the higher leveled toons around, it was a bit harder for me to manage aggro. But oh well, I did. Sometimes not. Damn retardin who couldn't control his aggro worth anything. Since there was a priest, I didn't particularly manage my aggro range nor runners, so I let em run away and pull another group, and went, "hell yeah!", then immediately afterwards, "OMG! We're gonna die!" Which we never did anyways.

A problem I encountered though, was the priest who kept bubbling me at the beginning of the fight. I warned him once, but he didn't heed, so I just let him do it. I'm over with warning people after all the instances I tanked, anyhow. I had relatively easier time to maintain aggro at the next run after the priest left, so folks, remember to not bubble your pallytank unless you want those big bad angry mobs to bite your flanks.

In no time we reached Herod (pulling a few groups at a time -albeit unintentionally- really does speed it up), and guess what I got? Yeap, Herod's Shoulder. That made me a really happy pally tank. I refrained from spamming the chat with smilies, thankfully. So the run was over, and the priest left, and the rest wanted more. Outwardly I feigned concern by saying, "are you sure we can do this?" though inside I was thinking, 'w00t! No more bubbles!'



So short story long, we ran again. This time I was extra careful in pulling, letting the mage sheep mobs, even in a pull of 2. Since I wanted that run to end up without any deaths, I reproached the retardin (now healadin. Heh.) when he kept hitting the wrong mobs. Wait a sec. A healer who dps? I ignored that. We were only pulling 2 or 3 at a time anyways.

Well, there goes my frame of mind... until I died vs 3 mobs. Upon my death I glanced at his mana bar, only to see it full. Like, what in hell, dude? So I told him to stop dps and concentrate on healing. The rest of the party seemed to snap out of the trance and agreed too. Also had to warn the lock against pulling when the mage was drinking. Uh, hello? Do you not realize that she was doing... oh, around 60% of the dps? Right. Let me pull. Thank you. I got a "ty :)" from the mage for that.

We went to Herod without any other dead pally tanks, and to make it safe, I commanded the retardin to stay up there and heal. He downed while I tank/heal, and dropped the helm. Which I lost with a roll of 5 =/ Oh well, let that pally have it since he lost the shoulder. I sighed and stared at my laptop screen dejectedly, outwardly appearing nonchalant but inside I was in a turmoil of emotion. Since I hated losing. Then imagine my surprise when Tabard of the Scarlet Crusade dropped! The lock also wanted it, so I told him to just roll need seeing that we both wanted it. I wasn't exactly confident that I'll win, so I kept looting all those corpses, then I saw on the chat: [Warlock]: T_T

I scrolled up... and... Oh em gee! Oh em gee! OH- Okay, you get the idea. So I shift-B and tried to find that stupid tabard. Right. A tabard with a cloak icon. Once again I refrained from spamming :D on party chat but indeed smiled like a fool IRL.

Thus I present Shorsha with her new tabard:



P.S I recall the priest /p Wow, I hardly have to heal. Love pally tanks.

I didn't comment on that one, but heh. That put a swell of pride, at least. And a brief smile. <3 self.

Tuesday, December 4, 2007

Ding 32 after almost wipe in RFK


Wow. Astounding. I actually dinged 32. I had truly thought that I would have another 5 alts around mid-20 and Shorsha would be abandoned. Thank god that's not the case. Shorsha is a proud 32 now, 3 more levels until she can run SM and RFD smoothly.

The other day she had successfully tanked a 4-man run on RFK. Well, initially 5-man. I had a prot pally (who wanted nothing but to heal), an elemental shaman (who said that he couldn't do anything but heal), a warlock, a fury warrior and me. Shaman and pally are two that I group with almost every time - and I had a bad feeling about her - and the warrior was a not-so-random someone I met earlier. At this point I was seriously avoiding partying with someone I haven't partied with before, but alas, I had to since all the people in my friends list are... well, healers.

Okay. And one mage.

Whyyy? Whyyyy did I not befriend dps?!

Oh right. Roguetards and huntards.

Anyhow, remember the saying to not judge a book by its cover? Well, I apply the reverse for PuGs. People are always what they seem. They type like a 10 year old on sugar rush? Well, chances are, they play like one. So as always, I explain the rules first to them: First kill skull, then cross. No answer. Fine. They started summoning, and once again I repeated that instruction. First pull, warrior started attack unmarked mob. I warned him about it, and got a positive response. The lock, however... why do I know that for her skull = last kill?

That besides, there was quite a problem at first regarding the healing role. Those two didn't want to give up their role, so I suggested alternating heal, as in one would heal when another mana's ran out, otherwise pick another role. It worked quite fine, but then the pally left. So I shrugged and said, "oh well, wanna 4-man it?". The shaman replied, "might as well see how far we can get. Maybe worth some blues."

So off we went 4-manning RFK. In short time we downed all the bosses, only dilly dallying by grinding on bats because the shaman wanted the leather. The problem, however, arose after we defeated the boss. There was a case of almost wipe, where I dropped down bellow Razorflank's tent, proceeded to hit a group of mobs, almost killing the caster before it ran off to aggro another group. Warlock got DCed, so I was like, oh, okay. 2 groups? Easy. THEN another mob ran off and aggroed the third group. By this time I was panicking. A slight glance at the top of the screen revealed that the shaman's mana was non-existant, and I had around 1/5 of my mana bar with me. Warrior's health was also running kind off low. Right. I couldn't hit my oh- shit button, since it'll wipe aggro, so I self-healed while the shaman focused his remaining mana on the warrior. Since the warrior had decent hp by now, I let him tank a few of the mobs. Slowly we killed them off with the shaman's minimum heals, until around 2 was left. Then the lock jumped down.

...And fire rains another group.

Indeed we didn't wipe. Indeed we somehow survived being mobbed by four groups of elites chockful with casters.

Later: /ignore locktard

Alas, good news is that I've gotten all the blues I want from this instance in two runs.


P.S Someone, please remind me that pallies have a seal that prevents FLEEING.


I can't stop beating myself over that potential wipe. I need more mastery over my hotkeys. So for this post, I'm also labeled as one of the idiots. Down with me.

/cries in a corner

Goals for next week:
- Get mithril spike installed
- Start running SM
- Down thermaplugg in Gnomer for that quest pants and shield

Thursday, November 29, 2007

Etiquettes in Instancing with a (Low-level) Paladin as Your Tank

After getting probably a bad PuG for the third time (and coincidentally, every one of them had a rogue), I've decided that it's time to list some general no-noes and yes-yes in partying etiquette and instancing.

1. Do NOT say, "This is the noobiest instance, blablabla."
Because that is irrelevant, and can decrease the moral of the party. I don't care if you're omgwtf1337super twinked, or if this is a newbie instance you've probably done 100 times, but I expect people to follow me if I'm the tank. If I say, "kill skull first," then it's probably for your own good, and not just because I like seeing stuff floating above monster's head (and that too, but...). Most of the time, the MT is the leader. Know them, follow them, because chances are, they're working their butts off to save you from seeing the sorry sight of your own corpse. Whatever the instance is, it is just as important to conduct proper group work. I don't like to see you get hit, and you don't like to die. Follow my ways and we win-win.

2. When searching for another party member, and seeing little success, do not suddenly leave after saying, "fuck this."
Instant /ignore. I'm picky like that.

3. Do not say, "Thx, g2g guys," right after the end boss.
When people play well, they expect people to recognize their worth, not a 'g2g' and bam! everyone leaves. I can't stress this enough, but if you're in a good group, and you guys just felled the end boss without any hitch, by gods, say something of worth! As a tank (and as a general ego-maniac girl) I expect people to recognize my efforts on saving their arses, as I always do with any good party members I meet. A little compliment can go a long way with being invited back. At least I tend to get asked to tank by mostly the guys I've complimented on ;)

4. If I say don't do it, then don't do it.
Don't fear that stupid mob because you felt like it. Do some research on how to work with us (for the clueless, we generate threat from being hit), or learn and listen. I don't care what you think, but I like getting hit.

5. Leave that pet's taunt off!
I didn't pull 8 elites just because I think being battered by so much mob that I can't see myself is smexy, but because I'm good at AoE tanking, I trust my healer, and I know you won't somehow die from a stray mob. So turn that thing off and leave us to our own tanking.

6. Inform of aggro.
/p Aggro!
Simple eh?

7. Do not try to tank if you're a leather wearer.
Honestly, all the bad PuGs I've partied with had at least one twinked rogue who thought they're so damn hot tanking those elites. Not generalizing, but I got so tired of it I began asking each rogue that joined my group whether he/she's twinked. Look, we tank, you dps. Don't pull mobs in purpose just because your gear is 1337. I don't care. You leather. Me mail. Me tank. End story. Realize that most tanks are control freaks. You being a tank wannabe doesn't exactly suppress our emerging control freak nature.

8. Don't... need my Silverlaine's Family Seal ;_;
My preciouuuuuuuuuussssssss!

...And that's pretty much it. Luckily I haven't met that much bad PuGs, so my list remains short. I've somehow managed to snag another instancing partner, so wish me all the best luck in getting more good players to run with. No tank wannabe twinked rogues, hopefully.

Wednesday, November 28, 2007

First Run in SFK

First, let me just say: I'm altaholic. Extremely atlaholic. So altaholic that in fact I should tell everyone a warning that I might one day decide to try out an alt and disappear from their friend list. Shorsha is the many attempts I had to stick to one character, and by the name of tankadin, I do hope I can stick with her this time. She's extremely fun to play; today I just my first ever run at SFK. It went brilliantly smooth, with two shamans, one druid, and one rogue. We went in, and to my surprise, tanking was extremely easy. I just had to throw righteous fury, concentration, seal of righteousness, judgement of righteousness, and the mobs were sticking to me like glue.

At the middle of the instance we went at our first, measly hitch; the mobs can silence. I've read about this prior, thus we were prepared. So I sent the (non-feral specced) druid to do the job until the non-human mobs are finished. He did it brilliant, though there was an instance of near wipe where he pulled around ten wolves at the same time. I, though, tanked every boss except the silencer-human-thing. To my utter delight, a blue shield dropped. The shaman tried rolling on it, but oh hell no baby, I won it!

Yet another step towards my tanking goal. The instance finished, and the shaman friend complimented me on my tanking. I made sure that they never pulled a single aggro from me, and all in all, a single compliment had made it all worth it :D

I was extremely lucky to find a group where people understand the term 'groupwork'. Almost got into another PuG for SFK where the rogue had said, "I'll tank." I'm glad I didn't; I hit leave almost as soon as he said it. Better leave the bud alone than take the trouble to nip it or watch it blossom.

On the other hand, I dropped mining and blacksmithing and went for alchemy and herbalism, since they are a good a money generator, and somehow more useful for me for leveling. Alas, I had to spend around three hours walking around barrens and Mulgore to get my herbalism up to 70 so I can start collect briarthorns. Boy, I hope this is worth it.